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	<title>Comments on: Turntables No More</title>
	<link>http://www.mashit.com/2008/05/28/turntables-no-more/</link>
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	<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: DJ C</title>
		<link>http://www.mashit.com/2008/05/28/turntables-no-more/#comment-1008</link>
		<dc:creator>DJ C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mashit.com/2008/05/28/turntables-no-more/#comment-1008</guid>
		<description>This post is mainly ponders the future of tools for the physical manipulation of digital music files in whatever form, but you make a good point, clr/cdd, about the future of digital audio files themselves.

Have you checked out Melodyne? It's audio manipulation software that's touching on the ability to break down recordings into their component parts and edit single notes within chords or harmonies individually.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post is mainly ponders the future of tools for the physical manipulation of digital music files in whatever form, but you make a good point, clr/cdd, about the future of digital audio files themselves.</p>
<p>Have you checked out Melodyne? It&#8217;s audio manipulation software that&#8217;s touching on the ability to break down recordings into their component parts and edit single notes within chords or harmonies individually.</p>
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		<title>By: clr/cdd</title>
		<link>http://www.mashit.com/2008/05/28/turntables-no-more/#comment-1007</link>
		<dc:creator>clr/cdd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mashit.com/2008/05/28/turntables-no-more/#comment-1007</guid>
		<description>very interesting discussion. i think the bottom of a possible solution rather lies within a new digital format for the music than in a new carrier-medium. serato, final scratch and other solutions adapted the motorics of the turntable and gave the dj the freedom to carry all his music on a small disk. It also added some more features like cueing, but you still have the same manipulation possibilities for the tracks you´re playing(bass, mids, highs, ...)
Just imagine having a simple filetype which offers access to every hi-quality audio of a composition.(bassline, clicks, acapella, noise, ect.)
just a thought...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very interesting discussion. i think the bottom of a possible solution rather lies within a new digital format for the music than in a new carrier-medium. serato, final scratch and other solutions adapted the motorics of the turntable and gave the dj the freedom to carry all his music on a small disk. It also added some more features like cueing, but you still have the same manipulation possibilities for the tracks you´re playing(bass, mids, highs, &#8230;)<br />
Just imagine having a simple filetype which offers access to every hi-quality audio of a composition.(bassline, clicks, acapella, noise, ect.)<br />
just a thought&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DJ C</title>
		<link>http://www.mashit.com/2008/05/28/turntables-no-more/#comment-979</link>
		<dc:creator>DJ C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 01:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mashit.com/2008/05/28/turntables-no-more/#comment-979</guid>
		<description>Truer words have never been written, Flack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truer words have never been written, Flack.</p>
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		<title>By: DJ FLACK</title>
		<link>http://www.mashit.com/2008/05/28/turntables-no-more/#comment-976</link>
		<dc:creator>DJ FLACK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 22:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mashit.com/2008/05/28/turntables-no-more/#comment-976</guid>
		<description>Yeah I am feelin what rupture is saying and any DJ who is used to the feel of vinyl and techs will be very unsatisfied with some small dinky midi wheely device and it is such a great feeling showing up at a club that already has a built in serato/turntable set up. I also agree with DJ C that Scrolling through mp3s is annoying enough with a big screen and a little one would make file management unbearable.  That said, if I am going to do a show that doesn't have turntables at all it would be nice to have the option of bringing along a small lightweight (and cheap) device that I could just through in my backpack and bike to a gig with and still be able to do some mixing.  Any DJ who has had to break down his or her home turntable set up and lug it across town for a small short unpaid event (no matter how cool) knows what I am talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah I am feelin what rupture is saying and any DJ who is used to the feel of vinyl and techs will be very unsatisfied with some small dinky midi wheely device and it is such a great feeling showing up at a club that already has a built in serato/turntable set up. I also agree with DJ C that Scrolling through mp3s is annoying enough with a big screen and a little one would make file management unbearable.  That said, if I am going to do a show that doesn&#8217;t have turntables at all it would be nice to have the option of bringing along a small lightweight (and cheap) device that I could just through in my backpack and bike to a gig with and still be able to do some mixing.  Any DJ who has had to break down his or her home turntable set up and lug it across town for a small short unpaid event (no matter how cool) knows what I am talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: DJ C</title>
		<link>http://www.mashit.com/2008/05/28/turntables-no-more/#comment-975</link>
		<dc:creator>DJ C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mashit.com/2008/05/28/turntables-no-more/#comment-975</guid>
		<description>Agreed, rupture. 1200s are the power-horse. I had my set for 10 years before selling them to get Vestax PDX 2000s. I remember at the point when I switched, Ripley asking if I thought they'd hold up as well as 1200s. I didn't know but I can tell you now that it's 8 years later and they're still going strong. 

I also remember when you did a set on my Vextax tables you didn't like the feel, which is understandable 'cause it's different than 12s, but man! once you get used to using the 100% pitch bending it's hard to go back. It's an obvious problem of standardization.

Bottom line is that people need to use what's comfortable. 12s and DJM600 mixers became club standards, and now Serato too. That's my fave setup 'cause it's what I'm used to.

I agree that 12s will still be around in 10 years but I think the overall DJ gear landscape will look a lot different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, rupture. 1200s are the power-horse. I had my set for 10 years before selling them to get Vestax PDX 2000s. I remember at the point when I switched, Ripley asking if I thought they&#8217;d hold up as well as 1200s. I didn&#8217;t know but I can tell you now that it&#8217;s 8 years later and they&#8217;re still going strong. </p>
<p>I also remember when you did a set on my Vextax tables you didn&#8217;t like the feel, which is understandable &#8217;cause it&#8217;s different than 12s, but man! once you get used to using the 100% pitch bending it&#8217;s hard to go back. It&#8217;s an obvious problem of standardization.</p>
<p>Bottom line is that people need to use what&#8217;s comfortable. 12s and DJM600 mixers became club standards, and now Serato too. That&#8217;s my fave setup &#8217;cause it&#8217;s what I&#8217;m used to.</p>
<p>I agree that 12s will still be around in 10 years but I think the overall DJ gear landscape will look a lot different.</p>
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		<title>By: rupture</title>
		<link>http://www.mashit.com/2008/05/28/turntables-no-more/#comment-973</link>
		<dc:creator>rupture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 19:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mashit.com/2008/05/28/turntables-no-more/#comment-973</guid>
		<description>i got serato about a year ago and (despite the 2-deck limitation) its been great -- i still haul around vinyl of course. but im chiming in here b/c i will ALWAYS LOVE Technics (&#38; a DJM-600 mixer) as my preferred interface for DJing music. its so immediate, tactile, etc etc.  

  i know a whole batch of 'next generation' DJs who embrace serato only -- new tech hybridized with 'classic' interface.

 in NYC, Serato has become a kind of Technics 1200s -- club standard -- you can expect certain venues to have it hardwired into their deck setup 

 Serato is extending the life of the turntable; even as less vinyl get sold, folks will want to use 1200s as their main DJ interface for a long time to come. 

 One other thing is that Technics are so great b/c of the quality of construction, and this in turn will help keep them spinning for awhile to come.  Me, i bought mine 2ndhand from Bruno @ Biscuithead like 12 years ago... and they´ve never broken or given me any problems whatsoever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i got serato about a year ago and (despite the 2-deck limitation) its been great &#8212; i still haul around vinyl of course. but im chiming in here b/c i will ALWAYS LOVE Technics (&amp; a DJM-600 mixer) as my preferred interface for DJing music. its so immediate, tactile, etc etc.  </p>
<p>  i know a whole batch of &#8216;next generation&#8217; DJs who embrace serato only &#8212; new tech hybridized with &#8216;classic&#8217; interface.</p>
<p> in NYC, Serato has become a kind of Technics 1200s &#8212; club standard &#8212; you can expect certain venues to have it hardwired into their deck setup </p>
<p> Serato is extending the life of the turntable; even as less vinyl get sold, folks will want to use 1200s as their main DJ interface for a long time to come. </p>
<p> One other thing is that Technics are so great b/c of the quality of construction, and this in turn will help keep them spinning for awhile to come.  Me, i bought mine 2ndhand from Bruno @ Biscuithead like 12 years ago&#8230; and they´ve never broken or given me any problems whatsoever.</p>
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		<title>By: seen.´s non-hippie reggae and dancehall blog /// No, I´m not dead</title>
		<link>http://www.mashit.com/2008/05/28/turntables-no-more/#comment-972</link>
		<dc:creator>seen.´s non-hippie reggae and dancehall blog /// No, I´m not dead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 19:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mashit.com/2008/05/28/turntables-no-more/#comment-972</guid>
		<description>[...] I strongly recommend to read FIRST (mad many updates recently) and DJ C´s mini-essay about the future of turntables, look at the Fader blog´s review of the fashion week in JA, listen to this tropical mix from Geko [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] I strongly recommend to read FIRST (mad many updates recently) and DJ C´s mini-essay about the future of turntables, look at the Fader blog´s review of the fashion week in JA, listen to this tropical mix from Geko [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: More Vinyl &#124; Mashit</title>
		<link>http://www.mashit.com/2008/05/28/turntables-no-more/#comment-968</link>
		<dc:creator>More Vinyl &#124; Mashit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 17:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mashit.com/2008/05/28/turntables-no-more/#comment-968</guid>
		<description>[...] started writing this as a comment on the last post about the death of the turntable, but it got too long. There are lots of great comments on that post already [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] started writing this as a comment on the last post about the death of the turntable, but it got too long. There are lots of great comments on that post already [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: DJ C</title>
		<link>http://www.mashit.com/2008/05/28/turntables-no-more/#comment-967</link>
		<dc:creator>DJ C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 06:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mashit.com/2008/05/28/turntables-no-more/#comment-967</guid>
		<description>Tones,

That smaller Vestax controller looks really nice but people like me who are used to playing with wheels will be sad that it doesn't have them.

I hadn't seen the EKS OTUS before. That looks sweet, but without the mixer component built in it's kind of like a traditional CDJ minus the CD part. I'm also curious about the jog wheel; weather it's touch sensitive for vinyl simulation.

Those two together might actually be pretty dope!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tones,</p>
<p>That smaller Vestax controller looks really nice but people like me who are used to playing with wheels will be sad that it doesn&#8217;t have them.</p>
<p>I hadn&#8217;t seen the EKS OTUS before. That looks sweet, but without the mixer component built in it&#8217;s kind of like a traditional CDJ minus the CD part. I&#8217;m also curious about the jog wheel; weather it&#8217;s touch sensitive for vinyl simulation.</p>
<p>Those two together might actually be pretty dope!</p>
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		<title>By: DJ C</title>
		<link>http://www.mashit.com/2008/05/28/turntables-no-more/#comment-966</link>
		<dc:creator>DJ C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 05:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mashit.com/2008/05/28/turntables-no-more/#comment-966</guid>
		<description>Flack,

The &lt;a href="http://www.numark.com/ns7" rel="nofollow"&gt;Numark NS7&lt;/a&gt; has mic and aux inputs, in addition to high-torque 7-inch spinning platters, which I assume feel a lot like standard turntables.

It looks like it'll be a real nice solution except for the drawbacks — size and price.

It's true that unit doesn't have a built in hard-drive or LCD screen, but I don't mind bringing my laptop 'cause I want a large screen to work with anyway.

There is the &lt;a href="http://www.numark.com/idj2" rel="nofollow"&gt;iDJ2&lt;/a&gt; which lets you DJ using and iPod and/or an external USB hard-drive/flash-drive, and it has a built in monitor. I have a feeling the OS is not easy to use when DJing though, so I'll stick with the laptop.

I agree with DJ Bylamplight about the search interface. There was something about flipping through vinyl for "the one with the blue cover." Serato will show you a small image of the "cover art" and allows you to color the virtual labels of specific tracks, but I do think Cover Flow-style searching would be helpful. In terms of organization though, it's all about setting up playlists/crates that work for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flack,</p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.numark.com/ns7" rel="nofollow">Numark NS7</a> has mic and aux inputs, in addition to high-torque 7-inch spinning platters, which I assume feel a lot like standard turntables.</p>
<p>It looks like it&#8217;ll be a real nice solution except for the drawbacks — size and price.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that unit doesn&#8217;t have a built in hard-drive or LCD screen, but I don&#8217;t mind bringing my laptop &#8217;cause I want a large screen to work with anyway.</p>
<p>There is the <a href="http://www.numark.com/idj2" rel="nofollow">iDJ2</a> which lets you DJ using and iPod and/or an external USB hard-drive/flash-drive, and it has a built in monitor. I have a feeling the OS is not easy to use when DJing though, so I&#8217;ll stick with the laptop.</p>
<p>I agree with DJ Bylamplight about the search interface. There was something about flipping through vinyl for &#8220;the one with the blue cover.&#8221; Serato will show you a small image of the &#8220;cover art&#8221; and allows you to color the virtual labels of specific tracks, but I do think Cover Flow-style searching would be helpful. In terms of organization though, it&#8217;s all about setting up playlists/crates that work for you.</p>
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